it's an article of faith.
either god is going to save them or he is not.
since one local elder proudly told me that he never saved a nickel until just before his retirement, i've given this subject some thought.. savers are worldly..
Stillin, yes you are right I have become sort of a gold bug and am now better than where I was before the loss. I must say I got out a month before the tech crash so that was a good move there. I sold Visa too quick though and watched it go up and up and up. So I kinda learnt going both ways. You're also right it can never be all green, I mentioned Jesse Livermore above, even he lost it all. Best is to be reasonable and avoid unhealthy greed.
BTW good post bro thanks.
it's an article of faith.
either god is going to save them or he is not.
since one local elder proudly told me that he never saved a nickel until just before his retirement, i've given this subject some thought.. savers are worldly..
During the financial crisis the PO in my congo made light of the media's portrayal of brokers holding their heads in disbelief off of the trading room floors, going so far as to imitate their postures from the platform. Back then I had put my trust in a local well known investment firm for my privately built up retirement fund with the belief that they would handle my investment account better than I ever could thereby freeing me up to better run my business and have more time for the twoof. At least that was the idea but boy was I ever wrong : took a 40% hit, went into severe depression on account of my stupidity for putting my trust in others and not thinking for myself and being better informed. Life lesson that took me years to recover from. They say your first investment loss is usually your best to learn from, is so true. Actually I think it's a Jesse Livermore quote.
When that elder gave his parts with the head holding mimic saying that JW's were not so dumb as to invest and were protected it drew nodding heads from nearly the whole congregation, even the union types that have managed accounts. Well I knew then and there that I had been fooled and also drew very little sympathy from anyone on my losses. I also found out that money is often a very emotional subject with people made even more so amongst JW's where everyone in the hall knows about each other's assets in jealousy and envy. I heard through the grapevine that I had become fodder for gossip as well. Never went back to that hall after that embarrassing little scenario in my life..
hi, for those who can understand french, on sept.2 in canada(quebec) on channel tva aired a documentary on jws made by an ex-jw, jean-sebastien lozeau.
it is now on youtube, but it will probably be deleted soon.
so watch it before it dissappears.
OK super merci je vais regarder ça toute à l'heure !
Thanks this is great ! Hey anyone else in the greater Montreal area shoot me a PM !
Très apprécié !
15 years ago ceo scott mcnealy said those famous words; you have zero privacy anyway.
everyone has a phone with a camera.
every day someone leaks a sex video.
Good stuff John ! The society's worst nightmare, the internet. Thank-you Ray Franz and Don Cameron !
Just sent a .pdf of ISOCF to my shop neighbor. His wife went to a meeting once, her first and last in the late seventies when she was single. So insulted was she that she stopped the study right then and there and never went back. What got her upset was the bashing of other religions and the superiority complex.
I sent them COC earlier this summer and she loved it. It gave her closure as to what happened back then when she got involved.
Good one Millie210, I was thinking about that Daniel quote myself a few days ago !
in march of 2014, i was a very active jw, a ministerial servant, gave a public talk, was an attendant for the memorial, and one of 4 cleaning captains for an international convention of 40,000+ attendees.
so what woke me up?
an innocent comment from a co-worker about the candice conti court case rang a bell that could not be unrung.
Now that's romance Lisa Rose, love it ! Happy for you sis !
i've been reading about different types of emotional abuse to help me define and cope with my difficult marriage, came across this article : 7 ways a person can be abused, by a psychologist.
http://pro.psychcentral.com/exhausted-woman/2015/08/7-ways-a-person-can-be-abused/.
includes forms of 'spiritual abuse' - these sound familiar?.
Good stuff, I've always though of it as Spiritual Abuse, good article will forward some friends.
BTW : BEST POST EVER !
the reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.
i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.
it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.
I got the new Greatest Man That Ever Lived book this summer at the assembly. I couldn't even get past the first page before putting it down in disgust. Who writes these things and what kind of English is that ? It reads like a serial manipulator with an agenda, oh wait.. Their material always had a slant to it, even as kids we'd pick up on it and my brother would make fun of it but it seems to have become exponentially worst over time.
On edit : Always makes me feel like my freedom to think for myself is being intruded upon.
i am interested in reading books published by former jws which detail personal experiences of their time with the organisation.
i know of coc, exiting the jw cult, mamas club, 30yrs a wt slave, and told ones were written by otwo, punk and terry.
i'd like to spend some time making my way through them so titles, authors and links would be really useful.
i am interested in reading books published by former jws which detail personal experiences of their time with the organisation.
i know of coc, exiting the jw cult, mamas club, 30yrs a wt slave, and told ones were written by otwo, punk and terry.
i'd like to spend some time making my way through them so titles, authors and links would be really useful.
i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......
